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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 24, 2007 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

If you wanna get specific please tell me how saying "(remember jackboot dire)" is slander. And there was no specific slander on his religion either, so the burden of proof is on you. You guys are reactionary -- who is emotionally resorting to foul language?

Direwolfxxx said I had serious issues, but I'll leave it to you to wade again through thousands of his and others reactionary posts in the last 6 months. One thread started on another Archive forum, and it was not "think good thought" type stuff I expect from upstanding members of the flock. That a "Cat Under Stars" part of the HeadMind.

Keep up politics and so will I!

Castro IS a small rebel of our making, who dug in after obsessive punitive sanctions while we train and support other dictators, terrorists, and dark death squads. Let's be honest if we place blame.

Right wingers fall into line with rants but can't face facts. If anyone cares, they can do some thinking for themselves:
http://www.counterpunch.org/delahunt05282004.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/lariva01232007.html


>Where are these “complaints” from the Federal Reserve? >Where they just made off the cuff by Greenspan

Greenspan has been retired for awhile now, so this proves my mistake of assuming people on this forum have commands of the facts.

BTW, rhetoric often involves exaggeration to make points clear. Down in the valley of the shadow I will fear no wingnuts.

What's oddly fascinating is that people who 'follow' an amazing group of freethinkers believe propaganda that Islamic fundamentalists (or whoever the latest enemy is, read Orwell) is the biggest problem facing the world. Sure, they're a problem. The death of 3000 people from the 911 attack was terrible, but does it mean that hundreds of thousands of innocent people be killed in lying retaliation?

The response is very un-Christian, not that security and protecting life and property isn't required. But then I don't think that a person is actually God -- and suspect that leaders of powerful empires who claim that God is on their warmongering side are actually knowing tools of demons.

CHOOSE LIFE wingnuts, not phony 'realpolitik' propaganda.


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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 24, 2007 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

“If you wanna get specific please tell me how saying "(remember jackboot dire)" is slander. And there was no specific slander on his religion either, so the burden of proof is on you. You guys are reactionary -- who is emotionally resorting to foul language? “

What is slander- and this is a DIRECT QUOTE FROM YOU –is the following: “I notice, direwolf0701, that you can only muster a claim of "serious issues" but have nothing substantive to say except Fox News/Archie Bunker level comments and beyond into outright racist war-mongering. If I think I see it I'll post”

So, I’m STILL waiting to see your evidence that Direwolf has engaged in “racist warmongering”. I don’t need to wade through anything; providing just one example will do. My guess is you won’t because you simply can’t. You’re making bloated, bigoted claims with no with no basis in fact, then becoming upset when someone demands that you back them up with fact. You, sir, are the hatemonger, as well as a moral coward. Again, I publicly implore you to prove me wrong.

PS- I am also still waiting for these “complaints” from the Federal Reserve. You offer nothing but irrelevant remarks about Greenspan’s retirement. Yet again, I ask you for proof. Or does your explanation of rhetoric serve as a de facto admission that you were lying on this (and possibly other) points. As for your comical website recommendations, surely you’re joking.

Finally, you seem to have some information whereby I’ve “fallen in line” with a “right wing rant”. Be a sport and share it with the class.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 24, 2007 5:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Oh man, I was raging myself. The tough thing is that I don't have complete control over changes to Archive forums database, but at least I did find a few items of interest.

1st, if you look up the typo Alhtough, you'll find only direwolf0701 references.

2nd, Note the quote of direwolf0701, with the same typo as only he seems to make. Here's a post I made:
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Poster: Spaced Date: August 14, 2006 11:06:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Are some Deadheads confused?
>>>you are either under the age of 20 or just a plain moron.>>>

One way or another...I gotta get a life.

Nuclear weapons allow me to post on this forum? God, no wonder Grateful Dead is just the Dead. I had come back to moderate my comments, but your comments in another post indicate strongly that there's a seal over the eye of your heart:

Poster: direwolf0701 Date: August 15, 2006 03:44:26am
"Alhtough, as long as this country is 50+ percent white caucasion - i will go for it."

I'm not sure if there's an antidote for zombie racism or even if you went to shows. HA, is this all you have: "don't give me those pathetic gd lyrics."

You could be a paid agent to monitor and act as a provacateur. Your only response, "greatest country in the world" proves nothing except an inability to deal with this factual reality. I was born here from generations of "white" people born here and don't want to see it completely ruined by willful cretins.
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3rd, that quote is no longer in the database and probably many others in CYA mode have been deleted.


4, the 1st 3 posts in this thread seems to indicate posts are missing, or I just could find the ones in question:
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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: August 15, 2006 06:13:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Look out...politics are comin' in!!!
Folks....
Look out...somebody opened the stupid political door again...and a bunch of left and right crap is spilling forth...get a poncho and stand back! Is it because it is raining out?(here in my little town). Now lets get back to the DEAD!


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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: August 15, 2006 06:41:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look out...politics are comin' in!!!
i blame all of my responses for being under anaestesia for over four hours and then painkillers. i knew not what i wrote (actually that is almost true) - i need to stay out of political threads anyways, they are bad for my brain :)


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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: August 15, 2006 06:49:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Look out...politics are comin' in!!!
hope you are on the mend!
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5, And here's an ugly sentiment well before hospital drugs:
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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 08, 2006 04:22:41am
Forum: iraq_war Subject: Re: Color Me Suspicious
Iraq should be turned into a massive parking lot with a Lowes, Walmart, and Dick's Sportin Goods right in the center of it all. Capitalism Rules :)
Now, as for Iran............ maybe a simple Subway shop surrounded by destruction - gotta have something to look at while you eat one of their wonderful Buffalo Chicken Subs with lots of blue cheese.
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6, a casual journey thru this forums leads me believe that at least a few people have multiple identities, which the whole thing with Liam indicated. A likely troll is cosmicharlie-Rastamon-EARL-N.Y. JACK. All in all, that nexus counts some very ugly sentiments. I won't share the reasons now because it's gonna take a bit more time to collect and analyze data, though it may make more sense to leave the mighty kings of the forums to their Titanic.

Forgive me but sometimes this board really does seem like a neocon chickenhawk project of some right-wing think tank. Or it could be I just don't like rednecks.

In any case, those projects known as Ann Coulter and Melanie Morgan are very sad indeed. This space is getting HOT huh?



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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 24, 2007 5:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Fuck You you little prick! How dare you quote me when my tibia was virtually sticking out of my leg and i WAS eating vidodins like candy and high as a kite and just having fun. You want to deal with that kind of pain and the resultant buzz and just bustin with the rest of the forum - you don't know shit you little twinkie.

What about your comment recently and a response to me from two days ago. huh?? You are too much of a pussy to respond. you are nothing but a little sally!! Get the fuck off this forum!! go join a polital sally forum, get the hell away from us, you obviously can't hold a candle to the true people, christians, and gentlemen here on this good site. get out, good riddance, and good day little boy.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 24, 2007 11:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

What's the excuse now for the filthy mouth(s) if drugs were the problem?

I wasn't that thrilled about taking to the next level but redneck yelling got to me I guess. I was surprised temporarily that big parts of threads were deleted and that each of you have multiple identities to inflate the strength of your odious opinions.

It's not like I cherry picked an offhand comment, you guys love Ann Coulter and her fascist inclinations. Venomous tantrums are not a sign of good character.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 24, 2007 11:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

If you do not like the "odious opions" expressed here, don't read them!

Another note, that is my long lost younger brother you are ragging on, so you you are on me too...

And this tantrum you have embarked on is not venomous? No, it's far beyond...

And furthermore you wait until 12:30 MST to post this?

Bye now, no I'm not even going to call you that.

Just curious though, what was the last name you used here?

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 6:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

The only one throwing a tantrum here is you.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 24, 2007 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Hey Spaced ... your name suits you perfectly, for it's quite evident that you are way out there in your thinking, especially in your taking past posts out of context, which is easy to do on a forum such as this. Please first graduate from your high school text book thinking before you start lobbing unfounded accusations at folks who, quite frankly, you know not.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I woulda provided more context but it seems to have been deleted.

Sure I know the 'people' here just from their words. And Thank God, because mean people suck.

In actuality it's the neocon chorus that is way out there. The more you dig into narrow conservative propaganda, the more it will take to free yourselves.

This is more like tough love; your own actions not my statements determine your fates. I would ask the same of you; the failing will not die. You think you can tell heaven from hell?

Ah you guys are boring. There is more than the planting and growing but this seems like trying to plant seeds in sand. Don't say I never warned you when your train gets lost.



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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 5:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

speak for yourself

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Drats! Foiled again by that damn deleted context!

At least there was time for some more ham-handed lyric quoting.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 6:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Good grief, is THIS all you could come up with?

Citing typos (so frequently an indicator of racism), references to deleted posts, one comment about going for a Caucasian majority that clearly has been sliced from a longer conversation and thus stripped of any context (good or bad), and an obviously sarcastic comment about turning Iraq into a strip mall that only a true moron would consider to be actual ‘warmongering’? That’s IT?!?

We have kept up this conversation for several days, and you have yet to back up your claim that the individual in question is a racist warmonger. Now that I’ve embarrassed you into at least trying to do so, you offer up this pathetic little cut and paste job surrounded by, essentially, the adult version of “the dog ate my homework?”
I mean, I knew you were full of shit from the beginning, but this is just sad.

To me this has nothing to do with right or left wing politics. It’s all about your judgmental ass slapping nasty labels on anyone who disagrees with your cartoonish worldview. You are clearly paranoid and delusional, and quite often your comments aren’t even lucid. Finally, your constant attempts to shoehorn Dead lyrics into everything you say make you look even more like a dumbass, if such a thing is possible.

You don’t like rednecks? Great. I don’t like idiots.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

You might fool some people, so let me flip the script and try the wingnut tactic. You prove to me when I accused direwolf0701 of racism. And no cut and paste 'the dog ate my soul' excuses.

My advice is expand your consensus reality a bit.

My responses to destroying countries and many people in them as implied and to deleted comments of a racist nature were the ones that exploded in cascades of angry foul language. I can just imagine how the wingnuts were accepted in 1960s SF.

But I'm not moving to the country. If people don't want to hear responses to provocative speech, just stop. The knee jerk reactions are what's delusional.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Sure. Here you go (for the third time):

“I notice, direwolf0701, that you can only muster a claim of "serious issues" but have nothing substantive to say except Fox News/Archie Bunker level comments and beyond into outright racist war-mongering. If I think I see it I'll post"

In your own inimitable style, are quite clearly stating that Direwolf’s posts range from ignorant bigotry (Archie Bunker) to "racist war mongering”. You are calling hima racist. Period.

Again, this is the third time I have cited this quote from you. And by the way, I don't need any excuses about edited posts (although a quick glance at the date-time stamps on yours the last few days tells the tale). Anyone and everyone following this thread is well aware that you have spent two days fumbling rather awkwardly in attempt to justify your indefensible slandering of another. To suddenly pinwheel and attempt to deny it at this point would almost be comical if it weren’t so pathetic. If you never said it, why didn’t you just deny it to begin with?

Your politics I could care less about- it’s your despicable habit of casually smearing anyone who disagrees with you I take issue with. Your smug (and incorrect) assumption that you are speaking from a position of moral authority is nauseating.

As for the rest of your post, it is, like many of your other rants, virtually incomprehensible gibberish- as folks other than myself have noted.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

>I don't need any excuses about edited posts (although
>a quick glance at the date-time stamps on yours the
>last few days tells the tale).

You can only ask for proof that you know was erased, and direwolfxxx (which ID this time) himself admitted the quote January 24, 2007 05:49:31pm.

This isn't rocket science or a big jump.

The nasty language of the wingnuts is about the best thing I can show of good intention. I did say something (and too passionately), but the venomous tantrums after getting called out are revealing.

Of course nothing I can say will make some of you believe there's darkness in your own eyes.

If you let the fear within you grow, you may find spiritual roses to punch you in the nose, twist their arms around you, and slap you till you cry.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 26, 2007 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?



I think this is issue has been clearly settled. You have no evidence to back up your claims. You are little more than an ignorant loudmouth.

I, on the other hand, was careful to preserve proof of my charges about you. It really isn't hard to figure out why you took such an ass whipping on this one.

You'll be thrilled to know, however, that several folks have peeked over my shoulder and had a good laugh at you your infantile ramblings. I work with an extremely diverse group of people, and it's pretty unanimous that you're either incredibly stupid, addled by substance abuse, or possibly insane. I'm sure the comedy hasn't been intentional on your part, but at least you've proven not to be a complete waste of oxygen.

Also, I notice that I am now not the only one to observe that you are “delusional”. You may want to have this problem looked into. While you're at it, remedial English classes are available in most communities. I can assure you that you would benefit from one.


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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

i share some of that guilt, i quickly forgot my New Year resolution to keep religion, politics off of the GD forum
I shall just go the oxymoron named forum- Democracy now

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

The point is, can you find it in the archives. Prove it to me, as you asked of me.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

What are you, 15 years old?

Please see my post time-stamped January 23, 2007 06:33:03am. It contains my comments as well as the full, unedited text of your original offending post.

Couldn't edit THAT, could ya, punk?

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

>Couldn't edit THAT, could ya, punk?

That was exactly the point. I wanted you to SEE the point about editing so I edited just what I asked you to prove.

Just like you asked me to prove points from posts that were edited and deleted. Again this is not rocket science.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

not to be trolling again...but spaced,
have you ever considered switching from indica to sativa?

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I went over my quota in tangents, and made the switch to air quite awhile ago.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Hey Spaced. Why are you here? Do you like GD? I ask because that is what we, in this forum, all have in common.

I would love to send you some music, man. Once you are on the receiving end of kindess from the folks here at LMA, our political differences will melt away.

All deadheads are not the same. That is what makes this crowd so fun. It's not your typical social-club. As heads, we have decided the most important topic to discuss here is our love of music.

Day to Day political topics come and go, but attemting to change the way others think is exactly the type of behavior you rant against. So, quit it.

andy@gemut.com

You have unlimited access to my archive of over 75 GD shows and over 600 cd's of various genres.

I offer this because I want you to know just what kind of people you are offending. Maybe then, you will lighten your touch.

Peace.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 4:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Thanks. But at this point, hearing what I've heard, I can't get too close. I'm sorry but advocating mass genocide is shameful and very un_friendly.

Even the question "Do you like GD?" shows a disconnect. I wouldn't be able to interpret and misinterpret the lyrics if I wasn't connected!

Almost similar to scriptures of many types, I've found much in GD songs that I once overlooked. It seems that many of US can't remember "Are you kind?" really does apply outside of listening to music. Why limit kindness to our tribe, nation, religion, etc.

I used to think that Deadheads were exemplary people, but now I know another way the night comes so quiet and it's close on the heels of the day. The seeds of light are not all the same it seems.

Heads I've know have gone beyond music, because the music required it. Hints of song meaning in other songs flowing in and out of each other. Maybe a statements like that or riffing off songs is too pretzel logic for some who don't want to think too much about desolation row.

I'm no doubt not the only one who had enough, so I can close with this from Dark Star, which I found for the 1st time just now on Hunter's archive:

spinning a set the stars through which the tattered tales of axis roll about the waxen wind of never set to motion in the unbecoming round about the reason hardly matters nor the wise through which the stars were set in spin

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 6:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

You are just chicken and you hide behind what you think are deep analogies and grand lyrical referrences, but you come off like a slime-ball.

Sorry, dude. I am among the top 99% in the universe when it comes to honesty and, though I often bite my tongue for the sake of the offenders feelings, I call them as I see them.

You, the hairy little troll-turd...

The offer stands and I still have hope, but sparky, you are way off track. Your reluctance to grab the hand that reached-out speaks VOLUMES.


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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 25, 2007 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

high flow ... hey man, clearly you've gone the extra mile w/your kind offer, but banging your head up against the brick wall of ignorance can be very exhausting! Just leave it be my friend ...

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I thought I'd give him one chance to prove he/she/it is not pure troll-dung. I was not shocked by the corny reply.

Thanks Arbuthnot.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 25, 2007 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Does this person remind anyone else of the "spelling police" person a couple months ago? The rancor seems very familiar...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 25, 2007 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Howdy Cush! ... sorry you had to read through all that 'spaced' out verbiage. Glad to see ya friend, but i'll wait til you've had a chance to clear your head!

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 25, 2007 9:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Didn't read much of it. He posted last night around 12;30am my time...

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=97638

Go figger huh? Almost pissed me off. I don't feed energy vampires though!!!

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 26, 2007 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

> You are just chicken and you hide behind what
> you think are deep analogies and grand lyrical
> referrences, but you come off like a slime-ball.


Sure my analogies might not always be on target, but I'd be a fool to trust someone who turns so quickly to foulness.

Why would I give personal information to hostiles with multiple screen names when even in San Francisco radio jocks target liberal journalists, politicians, and everyday people with 'jokes' about torture, hanging, and mass genocide.

Maybe you guys who hide behind so many screen names are astroturf plants or just homegrown crazies who might someday decide to act on something like hate radio KSFO's forecast that people will be hanging from the lampposts when the right-wing revolution comes.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 26, 2007 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Ok - this is me and just me. I do not have multiple screennames - what you see is what you get with me. And what I get with you is a pain in the neck.

What you need to if you want anyone to have a shred of sympathy for you and your viewpoints is to stop and think and clarify your thoughts before you post them. You also need to stop hijacking the writings of Robert Hunter et al and subverting them to your needs and prejudices. I try hard to avoid falling into the temptation of disenfranchising the inarticulate, but brother you push me close. If you want anyone to listen to you you need to be prepared to substitute dialogue for diatribe. You've been made generous offers recently, so grow up and join in - or shut up and shove off.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Um, I almost missed this one. What flew up his butt? That vitriolic outpouring was rather nasty, was it not? Oh, crap, I forgot to file this post under one of my numerous alter-poster names. Now they'll know who I am and track me to my house. Where is McCarthy when you really need him?

Holy crap, I just wasted 20 minutes of my life I will never get back reading that entire thread back to the beginning. Castro v. Batista? Don't know about you, but I'm stickin' with Michael Jackson jokes.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Robert Hunter: "...I fear a lot of people are thinking: what's with the breakdown of basic human decency in the Grateful Dead?
...
By the way, when I say Grateful Dead I'm not referring to the surviving members of that generational phenomenon expressed as music, but to the Mythos generated around it in which all who believe are able to partake according to their belief. I hate seeing the endemic cynicism of the times hamstring that lofty giant which everyone admits was bigger than any of us."


SDH: "Where is McCarthy when you really need him?"
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Spaced: I wish I could find "basic human decency" in the public opinions of GD forum favorite Ann Coulter, but I can't. What happened to the nicest 10,000 people I ever spent a night with, the good 'ole Grateful Dead?

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Jan 26, 2007 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

I'm all for spirited debate, I just get a little put off when it spills into personal attacks (I'm guilty of this as well re. "flew up his butt" could have been left out of my comment). I don't really care who fires the first salvo, but it is then our responsibility not to fan the flames by firing back with personal comments. I may be an ignorant prude, but at least I called myself that. Let's see if we can play together in the same sandbox without killing each other.

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Poster: wineland Date: Jan 26, 2007 11:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

It was a humorous joke. Wish I could get that 20 mins back too. :-)

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 26, 2007 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

>I try hard to avoid falling into the temptation
>of disenfranchising the inarticulate, but brother you push
>me close.

Disenfranchise me then. None of you discuss matters of substance. You only cast stones, accuse and bully.

I don't have to agree with victims of groupthink who habitually make hateful remarks. There's already been too much ugly wingnut rhetoric in last 6 months of this forum. Christmas in the South attending parties where people said massive nuclear bombing of the Middle East was good, perhaps that had some effect on me too.

"hijacking the writings of Robert Hunter"?!

Ppuhhh. A bit vague huh; any examples? What was SO wrong to cause such sustained outrage?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

'None of you discuss matters of substance.'

There are many of us here who are more than happy to discuss matters of substance. If there's one thing I've learned in my short time in this forum it is that there are some fierce intelligences here. Underestimate them at your peril, sir.

'I don't have to agree with victims of groupthink'

One thing that would be evident to the meanest intelligence scanning this forum is that there is no evidence of 'groupthink'. A more diverse and articulate group of individuals you would be hard pressed to find.


"hijacking the writings of Robert Hunter"?!

Why yes indeed. Do you have the bare-faced effrontery to deny that you salt your posts with cherry-picked quotes to suit your self-serving purposes?

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 26, 2007 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Give me something to work with if you're serious. Otherwise we can just move on (pun not intended).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 26, 2007 10:20pm
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does this mean you are finally leaving for good?? thank god!! i, for one, can't believe this is all still going on.


(by the way - this is my only name on the forum in the past four years)

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 26, 2007 10:23pm
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I guess with an attitude like that the worst part would be having to live with yourself.

He didn't jump on the piece of "spelling bait" I left earlier though...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 26, 2007 10:27pm
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i think he likes it - he keeps this damn thread going. stupid is as stupid does - HEY!! that's it!!! maybe we should just start calling him Forrest!!! lol

(life is a box of chocalates)

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 26, 2007 11:48pm
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"I used to think that Deadheads were exemplary people, but now I know another way the night comes so quiet and it's close on the heels of the day. The seeds of light are not all the same it seems.

Heads I've know have gone beyond music, because the music required it. Hints of song meaning in other songs flowing in and out of each other. Maybe a statements like that or riffing off songs is too pretzel logic for some who don't want to think too much about desolation row."

Spaced - I just offered an olive branch and you reply w/ this SHIT! It's SHIT, MAN! WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT?

Exemplary? Yes! All these "wingnuts" have spent hours of their valuable time and money to share this music. Like my offer to you, many here have made offers to me. No strings attached. It's a circle of kindness which you seem to be blind to.

You had nothing to lose. I know you have read my posts over the past 6 months so you know I've dealt honestly with my LMA mates. It wasn't your lack of trust for me, it's that you run away from anything that might be good.

I just feel sorry for you now. This thread is so revealing, and it doesn't look very good for you. You've lost the respect of your fellow man. Shame.

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Poster: wineland Date: Jan 26, 2007 11:26pm
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nice gesture. thanks for taking the conversation up to higher ground when it was hard to conceive any such kindness was warrented.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 26, 2007 5:33am
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Apparently it IS rocket science where you're concerned. You're a tad behind, laddy. The rest of the class is on page 56. Would you like to join us?

To review:

1. You called Direwolf a "racist warmonger" with no evidence whatsoever to support this fact (the "racist" part is what really set me off).
2. When I asked for proof, you fumbled about for several posts attempting to change the subject, then told me to go searching myself- only when pushed did you suddenly claim all the evidence had been edited and/or deleted.
3. You then edited your own original offending post and challenged me to prove you ever said it. It is date-time stamped as such.
4. I pointed you to my follow up post, where your original post was quoted verbatim. The original date-time stamp remains in place.
5. You are now searching for a towel to wipe the egg from your face in front of the small gathering that has witnessed this debacle.

I'm guessing you're somewhere between 20 and 25, or maybe a really juvenile 30. Based on your posts, either English isn't your native tongue or, in trying to sound somewhat intelligent, you're stringing together words without fully understanding their meaning. Either way, it's not helping your case.

Your real problem, though is that you seem to be struggling with acceptance of the fact that(as High Flow and many, many others have pointed out) not all Deadheads hold the same views on politics, religion, or much of anything except their love of Grateful Dead music (and even in that arena there can be some serious disagreements). When someone tried passing the peace pipe your way a few posts ago, you basically rejected it.

Your refusal to accept the fact that even when provided with the same information available to you others may not see the world the same way you do can only be attributed to ignorance and immaturity.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 26, 2007 9:06am
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very very nicely worded my friend. you handled this much better than my vitriolic spewings :)
talk about putting a moron in his place - my hat is off to you sir!!

(now, if only i could learn to do that rather than being a foul mouthed, hot head - well, atleast the hot head part anyways/ i'll never be able to fix my poor vocabulary)

this was like having an attorney present ;)

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 26, 2007 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Not a problem. Trust me, I’m quick with a cussword myself and it was a struggle to hold back.

Not that you couldn’t have handled this ass clown all by your lonesome. He just happened to trip two of by biggest triggers:

1.) The assumption that all Deadheads neatly fit a certain stereotype. Newsflash: we’re not all the same. Grow up.
2.) The casual pasting of labels like “racist” and “bigot” on anyone who doesn’t subscribe to a certain leftist political bent. This I’m absolutely sick of and will simply no longer tolerate, whether it’s directed at me or someone else. This is not an off-the-cuff insult and should never be directed at someone simply for remarks made in jest or taken out of context. These are serious words, and using them in an attempt to discredit and smear someone just because they don’t see things the way you do is despicable.

Now, back to your vitriolic spewings!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 26, 2007 12:06pm
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watching you neatly slice and dice his entire argument - all i could picture left of Spaced by the end was the tiny character of Plankton from Spongebob Squarepants just flailing his little "arms". (sorry, i have two young daughters).

it was an entertaining and impressive performance skuzz - hence, i happily stayed the hell out of the way :)

two thumbs up!

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 26, 2007 12:13pm
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Skuzz - You are my newest GD forum hero. The list continues to grow...

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 26, 2007 11:41am
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Yeah, way to go Skuzz. With the organized thoughts and all. Impressive.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 26, 2007 1:03pm
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>3. You then edited your own original offending post and
>challenged me to prove you ever said it. It is date-time
> stamped as such.

You're letting your emotions run away with your rationality. I'm not saying permanently, but in this case I don't understand why you don't see that I edited the post intentionally and told you that I did for the very reason why I can't make a good case.

As direwolfxxx admitted, and of course I've already made this point -- he said the things. I should have realized that people would cover their tracks, and in hindsight I understand their shame.

Now, let's have a heart-to-heart on immigration and the racial composition of the US. I think that would clarify things real quick. :)

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 26, 2007 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: left to right, where are you?

Damn, you're a slow one, aren't you?

1a. Yeah, you deleted your post on purpose- we GOT IT.
1b. Somehow you've made a near world record leap in logic that the fact that you can edit your posts, and Direwolf can edit his posts, in some way validates your claims that he is a "racist warmonger."

So, repeat after me: "one has nothing to do with the other."

Work with me here, ol boss.



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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:45pm
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Oh, that was sweet.

Down goes Frazier...!!(in yer best Cosell voice)

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:55pm
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Perhaps wingnuts should also take Grateful Dead lyrics to heart. They're designed to make you reflect.

This post was modified by Spaced on 2007-01-25 20:55:52

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:57pm
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any wingnuts on the "left"? name me a few socialist revolutionary wingnuts...
I enjoy a lot of GD/Hunter lyrics but you seem to apply them to your own agenda.

If you want to see mean people ranting and raving hate and bile and supressing others free speech, go no furthur than a San Francisco demonstration. I've seen it firsthand, been spat on and cursed. Mean people suck!

So, in general....
Once in a while you get shown the light
In the strangest of places if you look at it right

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:12pm
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:-)

Well said cosmic. Yeah freedom of speech...until you piss off a liberal, right?

All you need is love...

To all you "freedom freaks", talk to me when YOUR kids' future is at stake...we'll see if your singing a dfferent tune then...

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:25pm
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Hate speech is ugly. BTW, I'm not communist which seems just another excuse for dictators.

A conscious life does not include a 'by any means necessary' approach. Even Malclom X mellowed as he saw the end of time approaching.

Acquiescence to enormous wrongs can't be explained away by fearful alarmists; we are still responsible as a group for sins (and good deeds) done in own name. We shouldn't let ourselves become the things we claim we fear. You know, petty tyrants.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:43pm
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'A conscious life does not include a 'by any means necessary' approach.'

All life is 'by any means necessary' because all life is about survival. To think othewise is a delusion.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:16pm
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No, the proud and ruthless will not inherit the earth. Slight tangent: Dylan's Maters of War is still quite good.

Garcia agreed when people started interpreting Touch of Grey oddly. I can't find it but I heard something around the Rainforest Benefit time he said something like some situations are worth giving up your life.

I wouldn't want to survive in Hell, as the prophets have warned.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:46pm
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If you had said anything at all that was of the slightest relevance to my comment I might have some sort of response for you.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:26pm
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Aren't they already at stake?

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:31pm
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You have kids and your still liberal? Wow. What happened? Oh yeah, Duke University. :)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:02pm
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"My responses to destroying countries and many people in them as implied and to deleted comments of a racist nature were the ones that exploded in cascades of angry foul language."

OK. So I'm trying to run this sentence through the conceptual analyser to see what it actually means but so far it's coming up a big shoulder-shrugging blank. You want to run that one by me again?

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:17pm
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Very nice Rob. I was thinking the same thing, but I don't have a sentence analyzer. So thanks for confirming my suspicion that the sentence in question was meaningless.:)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:21pm
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Well yes. It's really hard to have any sort of meaningful discussion with someone who appears to have only a nodding acquaintance with your own language. Fanaticism seems to have got the better of him.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:28pm
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I'm a pizza and GD forum fanatic. I keep my fanaticism out of the religion/politics arenas.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:33pm
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GD and pizza. Good enough for me!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:03pm
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with anchovies?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:49pm
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can I have jalapenos?

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 25, 2007 4:41pm
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mmmmmm Jalapenos, so good. I like 'em on almost everything. Except my eye-balls.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jan 25, 2007 1:56pm
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"My responses to destroying countries and many people in them as implied and to deleted comments of a racist nature were the ones that exploded in cascades of angry foul language."

OK. So I'm trying to run this sentence through the conceptual analyser to see what it actually means but so far it's coming up a big shoulder-shrugging blank. You want to run that one by me again?
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Sure. Thanks; it works better if you've followed the threads since the tirades on the horrors of the lack of free music.

Mr. Direwolfxxx was wishing total destruction on Iraq and Iran. That's a lot of people dead. And for what?

Comments of a racist nature have been deleted, but I did quote a fragment earlier.

I've objected to hate speech, and of course some may think mass genocide funny or loving or neutral, but I objected. I see the mass of political asides in this forums coming from mostly neocon swilling chickenhawks who launch into insecure foul mouthed tirades when checked.

Others might compose sentence nicely, but don't seem know how things roll into one. Perhaps that sort of communication is limited to narrow wavelengths of mixed metaphors of friendship. Maybe it WAS the roses, you can never tell.

Ok, so back to pressing concerns like Bobby's beard and wingnut asides.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:24pm
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"Others might compose sentence nicely, but don't seem know how things roll into one. Perhaps that sort of communication is limited to narrow wavelengths of mixed metaphors of friendship."


??????????????????

You can't be serious.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:34pm
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ding-ding!....we may have a Spinner! ...it all rolls into one...heavy, dude!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 25, 2007 2:50pm
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I did follow the threads. You really need to be a bit more coherent and concise if you have something to get off your chest otherwise you're just going to alienate your audience.

Whoops! You did.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 25, 2007 5:27pm
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foul language???? i have a phd in english, i am/was a pschchotic expert skier and moutain biker. this is the language of the street and the academy. yes, even Notre Dame can handle this. sorry your poor high school education didn't cover this - but maybe if you take some grad school classes you may graduate beyond Barney and Dora - just a hope i have for you